tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post5377342048732093786..comments2023-10-29T15:56:46.073+00:00Comments on TOTAL ALES: British Breweries And The Brewers Association of North AmericaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-77522709412108320072021-01-27T02:40:47.305+00:002021-01-27T02:40:47.305+00:00Thank you for your information. I will again visit...Thank you for your information. I will again visit your site in order to find out about important topics like this. <a href="https://getfixllc.com/" rel="nofollow">Phone Repair Denver</a>kinckohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03554873641705219589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-41468069617385678322015-04-08T10:03:42.845+01:002015-04-08T10:03:42.845+01:00Isn't Beoir more a consumer focused organisati...Isn't Beoir more a consumer focused organisation like CAMRA as opposed to something like the BA though? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-52195569580800391072015-04-08T09:43:17.191+01:002015-04-08T09:43:17.191+01:00Maybe the UK needs to take a leaf out of Ireland&#...Maybe the UK needs to take a leaf out of Ireland's book and have an organisation like Beoir.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023653374988074993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-88654870462698052392015-04-08T09:41:26.664+01:002015-04-08T09:41:26.664+01:00It would be a good metric to see how many care abo...It would be a good metric to see how many care about British beer against how many are just in it for the bragging rights.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16023653374988074993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-69764017391900681332015-04-07T09:16:21.145+01:002015-04-07T09:16:21.145+01:00If you do find out what's being done, I'd ...If you do find out what's being done, I'd be interested to hear about it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-21088113562488678092015-04-07T08:13:44.312+01:002015-04-07T08:13:44.312+01:00Funnily enough that was one of our recommendations...Funnily enough that was one of our recommendations from CAMRA's Fit for Purpose Review - that is that CAMRA forge much closer links to SIBA, BBPA etc and meet with them regularly and report back to members. I must ask what's being done about that.<br /><br />Of course our former Chief Exec Mike Benner is now CEO of SIBA, so who knows.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-20927039470908961412015-04-06T20:33:24.575+01:002015-04-06T20:33:24.575+01:00I've had my eye on these guys since they conta...I've had my eye on these guys since they contacted me last year and I'm certainly watching with interest. Although so far activities seem to be focussed around where they're based in Berlin. They certainly look the part, time will tell if they've got the substance to match the style I'm sure. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-9668829674229311982015-04-06T18:15:48.273+01:002015-04-06T18:15:48.273+01:00Ooh, Look! There's the Global Association of C...Ooh, Look! There's the <a href="http://www.craftbeerbrewers.org/" rel="nofollow">Global Association of Craft Beer Brewers</a>!StringersBeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12573068197944669997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-13520596835234618642015-04-06T16:46:55.723+01:002015-04-06T16:46:55.723+01:00I think the trick with Craft Beer is that if you h...I think the trick with Craft Beer is that if you have to label yourself with it then you don't quite get it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-39917635639724192092015-04-06T16:46:12.331+01:002015-04-06T16:46:12.331+01:00I doubt that very much Zak - but I agree with you ...I doubt that very much Zak - but I agree with you here, there are at least two or three distinctive beer cultures here in the UK, maybe more and tying them, or at least some of them together would be a huge challenge. Fancy it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-53499555472454047192015-04-06T16:01:27.500+01:002015-04-06T16:01:27.500+01:00Maybe you're better-read than I am about the o...Maybe you're better-read than I am about the origins of the BA, but my fear is that UK industry would struggle to present as unified a front as its US equivalent. Zak Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650929798289995172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-57543025896902673522015-04-06T11:16:47.986+01:002015-04-06T11:16:47.986+01:00Robsterowski posted this which reads like a belate...Robsterowski posted this which reads like a belated Appril Fool's gag: http://bit.ly/1GYdWkhPeter Mac CiarraĆhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16495998965371859222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-6615962695111121092015-04-06T10:31:01.299+01:002015-04-06T10:31:01.299+01:00I really wish I could've made it up to Beer-X ...I really wish I could've made it up to Beer-X and the SIBA conference this year as it sounds like it was a really productive session. The only way I genuinely see SIBA making waves is by merging, or at least increasing their current level of cooperation with CAMRA and perhaps other organisations such as BBPA and Cask Marque.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-1983748620358186752015-04-06T10:13:34.808+01:002015-04-06T10:13:34.808+01:00Great comment Zak, thanks. You're right in tha...Great comment Zak, thanks. You're right in that I do look at the US beer scene with rose tinted spectacles and this does breed some naivety on my part. <br /><br />I think the question this poses is that also, yes the American's do tend to be much more pragmatic about business, why haven't we started something similar. However do you not think that an industry body of this nature is something that brewery's themselves should be proactive in creating, as opposed to writers, journalists or marketers? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-25843253024712264362015-04-06T10:08:02.973+01:002015-04-06T10:08:02.973+01:00Meanwhile... other festivals will change, adapt an...Meanwhile... other festivals will change, adapt and of course, grow in size. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-73553524980955648442015-04-06T09:33:50.694+01:002015-04-06T09:33:50.694+01:00This is an excellent insight, Alex. Thank you for ...This is an excellent insight, Alex. Thank you for sharing with us. It's great to see perspective from an excellent brewer. <br />Dan. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-82918879304823906222015-04-06T09:31:14.466+01:002015-04-06T09:31:14.466+01:00Agree, it's time for SIBA to get with the time...Agree, it's time for SIBA to get with the times. People need to lead progressively and not just sit back and wait till something miraculously happens. The uk needs it's own assoc to be proud of. <br />DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-22947188392989433472015-04-06T09:14:31.588+01:002015-04-06T09:14:31.588+01:00I attended the SIBA conference a few weeks back an...I attended the SIBA conference a few weeks back and Bob Pease CEO of the BA was a keynote speaker. Made some notes but can't find my pad! <br />He did say they define craft brewers not craft beer. They leave that up to the brewers. I did wonder whether it was going to be a pivotal year for SIBA but we shall see what direction they go in. <br />They do have keg & bottle regional/national competitions. I did leave with the sense SIBA could do with starting to shake up the status quo a little. <br />Even think a bit more creatively to be honest in their approach to publications and festival/events. Be interesting to see what unfolds.<br />Tears For Beershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01095813185896828342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-26169186179592382342015-04-05T20:17:09.208+01:002015-04-05T20:17:09.208+01:00Without wishing to rain on anyone's parade, t...Without wishing to rain on anyone's parade, the Brewer's Association is just that - a trade body set up to market and promote its members' best interests. That's not to say that its members don't make amazing beer, but it's important to remember that the members pay an annual subscription to be part of the Association, and all the benefits that it confers.<br /><br />To suggest that anyone pointing this out is cynical puts you clearly in the opposite camp - naive. <br /><br />The Brewers Association promotes its members interests because that is what it is paid to do - that is why it exists. So if you're "puzzled as to why a trade body based in the United States is so eager to push its message onto drinkers from the United Kingdom" its because they see the UK as a valuable export market.<br /><br />British breweries would join because there isn't a UK-based trade body that will represent is interests in the same way that the BA does. Frankly, I'm amazed that some imaginative freelancer - Pete Brown, yourself, me - hasn't set up a similar body for UK breweries - but the Americans have always been much more pragmatic about business matters than we Brits.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with any of this - I'm not suggesting is some Malcom McLaren type scam. Bit clearly it needs to be stated again. <br /><br />It's important to remember that when one talks about the beer business, it's easy to focus on the sexy bit - beer - and ignore the dull bit that makes everything happen - the business. Zak Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10650929798289995172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-72059495965375297652015-04-05T13:09:51.885+01:002015-04-05T13:09:51.885+01:00They define craft beer as beer made by a craft bre...They define craft beer as beer made by a craft brewer, I believe. Neatly sidesteps the issue of defining the beer, but I think defining craft brewer is significantly easier in their industry.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521839418245787540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-20278417479839629992015-04-05T12:44:51.738+01:002015-04-05T12:44:51.738+01:00And what do the Craft Brewers that fit their defin...And what do the Craft Brewers that fit their definition make?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-12873063354913859742015-04-05T12:44:17.622+01:002015-04-05T12:44:17.622+01:00America's a big place, the non-members are lik...America's a big place, the non-members are likely small, community-led brewers that have no intention to expand and are happy making sure the locals don't go thirsty. <br /><br />It's not a marketing term though - in fact that's an incredibly cynical view. It's a definition that's been put in place to help identify progressive brewing that's led by quality ahead of profit rather than the other way around. Have you ever stopped to consider that they keep changing the definition because the industry keeps changing? Staying static will do nothing to help their members, they have to change as the businesses they support change around them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-57745426809449775422015-04-05T12:40:16.329+01:002015-04-05T12:40:16.329+01:00Hi Alex, thanks for commenting and thanks especial...Hi Alex, thanks for commenting and thanks especially for the industry insight. <br /><br />I'm right with you in that, although the British Industry does have the support there in the form of groups such as SIBA it needs to adapt at the same speed the industry is progressing. I think the BA have the advantage of seeing this rapid change over 30 years and using that time to work out what their members really need. I can see the same happing in the UK over the next few years. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362693914759656245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-80895528846066228652015-04-05T12:21:52.245+01:002015-04-05T12:21:52.245+01:00The BA do not define "Craft Beer", they ...The BA do not define "Craft Beer", they define "Craft Brewers".Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7475885845704210397.post-80691462367808337892015-04-05T11:48:30.973+01:002015-04-05T11:48:30.973+01:00Nice photo, BTW.Nice photo, BTW.Erlangernickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09564871714656285737noreply@blogger.com